Запитання щодо веб-сайтів азартних ігор із ліцензією Кюрасао, які використовують неправильний код категорії продавця (Сторінка 364)

Hi everyone long term follower i dont comment as much but read every message still.Hope everyone is doing well. I have ways to trigger a chargeback investiagtion it is unethical, very very time cosuming but should work depending on card brand rules i have put hours into coming up with this resolution. I havent gone into too much detail really dont think this is a safe space at all to be sharing details and is why i have refrained from commenting such processes.

does unethical actually mean illegal

Im backing out for a bit myself will continue to read and try and help if I can my chargebacks only have a few weeks to go and im getting involved in a lot of other peoples stuff im not wanting to jeopardise my refunds in any way it might rile the banks if they know im doing this or anyone refers to me

I prefer the term unethical lol.These casinos believe they are doing nothing illegal just doing unethical practices in there eyes,im just playing there game. It really was the only way the amount of research i put in was the only way i saw fit im honest unless your bank process on technicalties which is 0.01 % chance. The casinos r just pr***s they wont refund and most of the merchants are involved

What ive done mate. Just waiting on responses to fos complaint and final disputes. I have been completely done with these casinos just transactions from early last year now with fos.

I like being in here helping etc but I need to protect my own interests bud so same here will step back a bit

Hi All, just thought I'd share an update. I mentioned in my last post that I was rejected by the bank and accused of Fraudulent activity for chargebacks using code 4840. I think there might have been a change in the MCC codes as I'm in the process of now escalating my issue to a complaint with the bank and im doing some thorough research of my own to ensure I have my ducks in a row. I thought I'd share this link which gives a description of tbe charge code we are all talking about which differs from the one I used in my original claim which I picked up from the template someone else added to this feed a while back.

The code I'm going to ref is 4849 - see below link. I'm on a mission now, ive had enough. So many of us have been scammed and exploited by these cowboys and its not fair. We're all on gamstop for a reason because we have problems and their rigged games and lack of payouts and transparency has sent me on a witch hunt to take this lot down.

Hope this helps you all. Will keep positing my progress.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/midmetrics.com/blog/reason-code-4849-exploring-mastercards-questionable-merchant-audit-program%3fhs_amp=true

Hi mate, so did the bank say you was being fraudulent or did the merchant?

It's not available in UK so best keep away

Looks a scam site big time one of many similar ones

Does anyone know if it’s true gambling transactions via bank transfer/Open Banking cannot be blocked like gambling card transactions as that is what various banks have told me seemingly to absolve themselves of any duty of care? I feel very silly now having made the vast majority of deposits via the SEPA transfer mechanism (although my bank still would not uphold my chargeback requests for card transactions to these dodgy Curacao sites a while back anyway). Thanks in advance anyone who can clarify.

The bank!

for casinos owned by Famagousta BV, has anyone successfully got a refund? Did anyone contact B90 holdings group? Thanks

Which bank told you that? They are out of their mind?

Nat**** - I'm in tbe process of raising a full complaint today to counteract all of this. If anything just given me more grounds now and a stronger counter argument against their duty of care to recognise my activity history previously. Have u raised a complaint with the bank?

Barclays is the best, they sorted me out, once all this crap is done i m closing my other accounts. Hsbc is useless. Doesent want to put it through as incorrect mcc, only as goods not received and they require "order confirmation ". Can t raise with natwest, tesco, m and s or lloyds due to being over 4 months so i contacted the merchants.

Openbanking / Transfer

No chargeback possible, only released voluntarily by the receiving bank. Every bank charges a fee for a chargeback, usually €10-15.00 per transaction

It is also a good thing that a recall is only possible to a limited extent or not at all, otherwise digital payment transactions would be characterized by abuse. I buy a cell phone for 500.00 euros, pay for it and simply cancel the payment... That would be too good to be true.

The fact is, you were not cheated or exploited. You made the payments voluntarily and received something in return. If you had won, you would have paid out.

Processing payments using a false code is not a crime, it is more of a grey area, there is no paragraph that prohibits it. If there was a ban, the courts would take action against it. You are free to take legal action to obtain an initial judgment.

Some providers are already on an internal bank blacklist and payments are blocked by the bank.

The code 7995 is blocked by most banks, or you can set up the gambling block yourself. Recoding the payments is intended to bypass the block. The banking systems themselves assume that everything is OK.

You can't punish the bank for something it doesn't know about. The responsibility lies with you, not the bank. You are an adult, no one needs to hold you by the hand like a little child.

FOS:

The ombudsman does not make a legal assessment, he is not a lawyer, he decides based on facts. The fact is: the bank has executed your submitted payment order, everything else is a civil law dispute.

Openbanking / Überweisung

Kein Chargeback möglich , herausgabe nur freiwillig durch die Empfängerbank. Bei jeder Bank ist ein rückruf Kostenpflichtig, pro Transaktion in der Regel 10-15,00€

Es ist auch gut so, dass ein Rückruf nur eingeschränkt bis gar nicht möglich ist, ansonsten wäre der digitale Zahlungsverkehr von Missbrauch geprägt. Ich kaufe ein Handy für 500,00 Euro , bezahle es und widerrufe einfach die Zahlung... Wäre ja zu schön..

Fakt ist, Ihr wurdet nicht betrogen oder ausgebeutet. Die Zahlungen habt Ihr freiwillig geleistet, und eine Gegenleistung erhalten. Im Falle eines Gewinnes hätte Ihr ihn auch ausgezahlt.

Das Abwickeln von Zahlungen ist kein Verbrechen mit einem falschenCode, eher eine Grauzone, es existiert kein Paragraph der dies verbietet. Wenn es ein Verbot geben würde, dann würden die Gerichte hier auch gegen vorgehen. Hierzu steht Euch der Klageweg frei, um ein erstes Urteil zu erzielen.

Einige Anbieter sind bereits auf einer bankinternen Blacklist, die Zahlungen werden blockiert von der Bank.

Der Code 7995 wird von den meisten Banken blockiert, oder man kann die Glücksspielsperre selber einrichten. Die Umcodierung der Zahlungen ist für das Umgehen der Sperre gedacht. Die Bankensysteme gehen selber davon aus, es ist alles okay.

Man kann die Bank nicht für etwas bestrafen, wovon sie selber keine Kenntnisse hat. Die Verantwortung liegt bei Euch, nicht bei der Bank. Ihr seid erwachsen, Euch muss niemand an die Handnehmen wie ein kleines Kind.

FOS:

Der Ombudsmann nimmt keine rechtliche Bewertung vor, er ist kein Anwalt, er entscheidet anhand von Fakten. Fakt ist: Die Bank hat Euren eingereichten Zahlungsauftrag ausgeführt, alles andere sind zivilrechtliche Streitigkeiten.

I've just had a reply from vipzino saying they are refunding 330 deposits!!! Let's see what happens but this is a shock. I've emailed all the casinos and they have all just thrown their t&c at me but this one has said yes and is processing refunds