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I'm really wondering how it's going to develop in Germany. It's not a small market that anyone could afford to simply neglect. Germany is one of the most important markets in Europe so they should hurry up to find a solution 🙂

They lose a lot of tax money as most people looking for ways around it. Honestly, I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax if they let me put more than 1 Euro in a spin.

Top Bundesliga Player, who are idols to millions of children, still do ads for Betting sites on TV. It's officially illegal since the 1.7. 🤷🏼‍♂️🙄

Who is it? Lewandowski?

I honestly don't know. I don't know that much about football to put names on faces

The development here in Germany right now is really unbelievable. I have no idea what this show of strength has to do with democracy (and by that I don't necessarily mean the right to self-determination). I'm also not sure whether the Leudz really check what's going on here. Even at the risk of repeating myself, I'll summarize it again:

• Anonymous money transfer options are gradually being abolished (e.g. Paysafecard, Neosurf etc.)
• Acquisition and storage of ALL player data recorded in the licensed casinos (including betting strategies, betting and gaming behavior -> requirement anchored in the contract to set up a safe server, as well as to connect to the central file.
• drastic reduction of the profit possibilities by lowering the RTP, "regulation" of the stake amount & last but not least by removing profit-relevant games (jackpot / table / live)
• For players, playing online is made as unattractive as possible (5 sec rule, etc.)
• juicy taxation of online casinos
• the new restrictions do NOT apply to state casinos, lotteries etc.

So here we have a state-organized safeguard of the likewise state monopolies for the purpose of profit maximization while at the same time maximizing losses as legally as possible on the other side.

In addition, a centralized BIG DATA resource (WTF!) That is freely available to the state

Plus (almost casually through the back door) organized access to the large non-crypto e-wallets while at the same time eliminating anonymity when it comes to financial transactions.

Player protection? Serious? Nightingale ick hear you trap.

Die Entwicklung hier in Deutschland derzeit ist wirklich unglaublich. Ich hab keine Ahnung, was dieser Kraftakt mit Demokratie zu tun hat (und damit meine ich jetzt nicht unbedingt nur das Recht auf Selbstbestimmung). Ich bin mir auch nicht sicher, ob die Leudz wirklich checken, was hier grade durchgezogen wird. Auch auf die Gefahr mich zu wiederholen, fasse ich das nochmal zusammen:

• anonyme Geldtransfermöglichkeiten werden nach und nach abgeschafft (s. z.B. Paysafecard, Neosurf etc.)
• Erfassung und Speicherung ALLER in den Lizenz-Casinos erfassten Spielerdaten (inkl. Wettstrategien, Einsatz- und Spielverhalten --> im Vertrag verankerte Auflage Safe-Server einzurichten, sowie sich an die Zentraldatei anzuschließen.
• drastische Reduzierung der Gewinnmöglichkeiten durch Absenkung der RTP, "Regulierung" der Einsatzhöhe & nicht zuletzt durch die Entfernung gewinn-relevanter Spiele (Jackpot/ Tisch /Live)
• für Spieler wird das Spielen online möglichst unattraktiv gemacht (5 sek-regelung etc)
• saftige Besteuerung der Online-Casinos
• die neuen Einschränkungen gelten NICHT für staatliche Spielbanken, Lotterien etc.

Wir haben hier also eine staatlich organisierte Sicherung der ebenfalls staatliche Monopole zum Zwecke der Gewinnmaximierung bei gleichzeitig grösstmöglich legaler Verlustmaximierung auf der anderen Seite.

Dazu eine zentralisierte, für den Staat frei verfügbare BIG DATA resource (WTF!)

Plus (quasi so nebenbei durch die Hintertür) organisiertem Zugriff auf die großen Non-Krypto- E-Wallets bei gleichzeitiger Beseitigung der Anonymität was Geldgeschäfte angeht.

Spielerschutz? Serious? Nachtigall ick hör dir trapsen.

That sounds harsh. Did they really decrease the RTP so players actually win less than before?

yes. but the permission to do so came from Malta. published on 28.05.2021: "The amendment consists in the lowering of the existing minimum RTP percentage (applicable to operators offering their games online) from ninety-two per cent (92%) to eighty-five per cent (85%)."

so this is by far not only a topic for german players. many provider began already to offer RTP reduced variants of their slots. Push was one of the latest.

it needs seriously some notes by Casino Guru about this development, so the gambling community takes an advantage (and if its just a second look regarding the RTP version) of the provided information.

P.S: the mga's justification for this step is just as flimsy as that of the german state regarding regulations. 

source: https://www.mga.org.mt/the-mga-streamlines-the-return-to-player-percentage-applicable-to-both-remote-and-land-based-sectors/?fbclid=IwAR1HqpN7ADrPa5fUlsX2i0YIwZiuTeSt0mmtYuABpV_kpNG0xM_ip17HoH4

i find the developments worrying in every respect. it may sound a bit exaggerated, but in my eyes, the state and the "authorities" are explicitly turning the screws in front of everybody's eyes. these are capitalistically motivated decision-making processes that are on the edge of legality and without a democratic decision-making basis. they just put on a little political cosmetics and makeshift camouflage: thats it. I think that's one of the things that makes me so pissed off: that it's not even an artful move or at least clever. or a great show. it's just a cheap trick. but that seems to be enough. 

on the other hand, you can see very well here why players, even if they are the foundation for the whole gambling-circus, don't have a lobby and never will have one. man...

I also noted a development in a bad direction here in the Czech republic after the government applied regulations in 2017. To sum it up, entering the Czech market by getting the official license was so difficult for foreign casinos that ones who really care about their reputation rather withdrew from the market and closed all Czech accounts. On the other hand, there are many bad casinos that don't care about anything, including the players. Those remained open to Czech players.

So instead of giving the players an opportunity to play in great international casinos, they're often forced to play in shady casinos where you're never sure if you get your winnings. Of course, there are very good casinos that still accept the Czech players, but they're rather an exception.

sounds like it's the same in green in many ways. maybe the benefits of such regularities for the legislators differ from country to country. maybe also the hands that wash each other. but one thing is for sure: it's at the expense of the player. he pays for it, one way or another. (and then they talk about player protection - at least here Germany - ridiculous!)

Yes, it was the same case here. I'm not very familiar with the German environment, but I'm convinced that the regulations were done badly here in the Czech rep. due to lack of knowledge of the online gambling environment. I don't believe that the law was prepared by anyone who had any experience with how online casinos work and what the players really need in order to be protected.

i'm not quite sure whether it's really just because the politicians don't have a clue. they most likely don't - the fact, that people completely unfamiliar with the subject, evaluate and regulate very special and specific topics is unfortunately part of everyday politics. usually it's not very noticeable, at least if the affected population group is relatively small, doesn't put up enough resistance (or doesn't know how to stage this resistance in a media-effective way) or if there is no lobby with enough influence and capital.

(just to put my statements in the right perspective: i think that the misguided decisions concerning education policy or, for example, the care sector are far more drastic and worse than gambling issues.).

but the point is, however: the new laws and everything that is attached to them are, in my opinion, very well thought out (as stated in one of the previous posts: Generation of additional funds through taxation, strengthening of the state gambling monopoly, data collection & initialization of various control instances also and especially concerning money transfers). Unfortunately, this is not even an aluhut theory, just a list of facts. 

it doesn't matter at all what the decision makers actually know about the gambling industry or whether they know the gamblers' needs. or if they have an idea of how a meaningful support of gambling addicts (and those at risk) might look like.  because that´s simple not the purpose of the exercise - it never was.

I spoke to Kent at Slotwolf via email this week.

All games without a German license are blocked for Germans there. They had sent me a special offer with 100 free spins for Gold Digger with a € 50 deposit.

Anyway, the game was finally banned .. And I had to put up with starburst, which didn't work out right either. After a lot of back and forth it has become book of dead. 🙁 I played the hundred games and after not a single one of my favorite games went back, I was frustrated and transferred my money back, which luckily worked immediately.

Slotwolf wrote an email the next day where Kent offered me a 50% cashback on the next deposit.

I told him that I regret it very much, but under these circumstances, despite the always exemplary treatment by Slotwolf, I tend to play somewhere else where you can still play everything.

He said I should be patient and work on a solution.

.. Shame .. SLOTWOLF was top

At Duxcasino, as I just noticed, it is much worse .. Even the bad betsoft games don't work.

And unikrn doesn’t have 10 of the former more than 700 in the German program.

Ich hab diese Woche mit Kent von Slotwolf per Email gesprochen.

Dort sind auch alle Spiele ohne deutsche lizenz für deutsche gesperrt.. Die hatten mir ein spezielles Angebot per Mail geschickt mit 100 freespins für Gold Digger bei 50€ Einzahlung.

Jedenfalls war das Spiel letztendlich gesperrt.. Und ich musste mich mit starburst abfinden was auch nicht recht funktioniert hat. Nach vielem hin und her ist es book of dead geworden. 🙁 Hab die hundert Spiele gespielt und nachdem kein einziges meiner Favoritenspiele mehr ging frustriert mein Geld zurück überwiesen was zum Glück sofort geklappt hat.

Slotwolf hat am nächsten Tag eine Email geschrieben wo mir Kent einen 50% Cashback auf die nächste einzahlung anbot.

Hab ihm mitgeteilt das ich es sehr bedauere, aber unter diesen Umständen, trotz der immer vorbildlichen Behandlung durch Slotwolf ich dann eher woanders spiele wo man nach wie vor trotzdem alles spielen kann.

Er meinte ich solle mich gedulden sie arbeiten an einer Lösung.

.. Schade.. SLOTWOLF ist Top gewesen

Bei Duxcasino ist es wie ich gerade gemerkt hab noch viel schlimmer.. Da gehen nicht mal die schlechten betsoft games..

Und unikrn hat keine 10 von ehemals über 700 mehr im deutschen Programm..

I ask myself the same thing..

Although I would classify the German market as not exactly small.

Lots of well-connected, wealthy customers;

shaped by capitalism and therefore inherently inclined to gamble.

Compared to many other countries in which the worst poverty dominates most of the population, pretty much everyone is able to take part in gambling.

In addition, there is the not to be underestimated proportion of countries in which gambling is completely banned or in which very strict requirements extremely restrict the market, such as B in Scandinavian countries.

Das frage ich mich auch..

Wobei ich den deutschen Markt als nicht gerade klein einstufen würde.

Eine Menge gut vernetzte, zahlungskräftiger Kunden;

kapitalistisch geprägt und von daher schon von Haus aus Glücksspielzugeneigt.

Verglichen mit vielen anderen Ländern in denen bitterste Armut größten Teil der Bevölkerung beherrscht ist bei uns ziemlich jeder Fähig am Glücksspiel teil zu nehmen..

Dazu kommt noch der nicht zu untersschätzende Anteil an Ländern in denen Glücksspiel komplett verboten oder in denen sehr strenge Auflagen den Markt extrem einschränken wie z. B in scandinavischen Ländern.

Yes, I'm really wondering how the German market is going to develop. It looks for now that many casinos simply weren't prepared for this.

The casinos had enough time to prepare. Because the new rules came into force on October 15th last year. As a probationary period, so to speak.

Die Casinos hatten aber genug Zeit sich vorzubereiten. Denn die neuen Regeln traten ja schon am 15 Oktober letztes Jahr in Kraft. Sozusagen als Probezeit.

Oh, I have the feeling that there won't be much more to come.

It has already been reacted to.

Or maybe not

The reaction remains anyway.

Ach , ich hab so das Gefühl da wird nicht mehr viel kommen.

Es wurde eben bereits Reagiert.

Oder eben auch nicht,

Reaktion bleibts trotzdem.

I know they had time, but I also know how things work in different casinos. For example we recorded many complaints from players who filled their details (including country) when they registered in the casino and after they won, the casino told them that they're from a restricted country.

They easiest solution would be to remove restricted countries from the country list when you register. Then you'd simply know that if your country isn't there, you can't play in the casino. If you choose a different country, it's your fault, because you're obligated to register using correct information about yourself.

Even this simple step as removing restricted countries for the list is a big deal for some casinos. Thus I can imagine that applying changes with regards to the new German law can be quite impossible for some smaller casinos.