ДОБРЕ ПРОДУМАНИЙ ШАХРАЙСТВО ВІД BETMASTER (Сторінка 2)

I have already withdrawn through SPEI but now it tells me that through SPEI I only have 17 cents and my card does not allow me to withdraw, I even made another recharge of the minimum and they deleted the SPEI withdrawal button, and it is real money, no bonuses.

Ya he retirado por spei pero ahora me dice que por spei solo tengo 17 centavos y a mi tarjeta no me permite retirar, incluso hice otra recarga del minimo y me borraron el botón de retiro por spei, y es dinero real nada de bonos

They still won't let me withdraw and I sent a request to transfer my funds to the SPEI account and they asked me for information and I sent it but after that two more charges of 100 pesos appeared 😕

Aun nl me dejan retirar ybya mande solicitud quenpasen mis fondos a la cuenta de spei y me pidieron datos y ua los mande pero despues de eso me aparecieron dos cargos mas de 100 pesos 😕

And they didn't give me any explanations because I did everything in a timely manner.

Y no me dieron explicaciones pues he hecho todo en tiempo y forma

They won't even do it. They are downloading more and more. I'm sorry when we see who supported them to attract clients. There are pages where reality is already reflected, like trusploi. After I sent them my research, they got down to work and already lowered the rating to 3.

Ni lo ara cada vez se descargan más lo siento cuando se vea quienes los apoyaron para captar clientes ay páginas dónde ya se refleja la realidad como trusploi que después que le envié mi investigación se puso manos a la obra y ya le bajó de calificación a 3

Little by little, we are seeing who is committing fraud thanks to those who care about users and thoroughly investigate the dirty practices of these pages.

Poco a poco se va viendo quienes son los que hacen fraude gracias a los que se preocupan por los usuarios e investigan a fondo las prácticas sucias de estás paginas

Consider it lost, my friend. It's better to publish how you were robbed in all the forums you can. Tell your bank that you were scammed, show proof to your bank, and send a complaint by email to the Segob so they can investigate because there are many of us who have been scammed.

Dalo por perdido amigo mejor publica como te robaron en todos los foros que puedas dile a tu banco que te estafaron muestra pruebas a tu banco , y manda una queja por correo a la Segob para que los investiguen porque somos muchos los estafados

What do you mean that two more charges of 100 pesos appeared?

I don't really understand that, actually.

Please let us know when exactly you requested the withdrawal. Did you have to go through the verification process as well, or was it not necessary?

If you feel that you are going nowhere, please submit your complaint, and our team will do everything to help you.

It's useless to defend the indefensible, a 9 rating with a review that says there are no complaints when it has 500 complaints from different users... Where is the objectivity of the forums to defend users... in what they charge for referrals?

Es inútil defender lo indefendible un 9 de calificación con una reseña que dice que no hay quejas cuando tiene 500 quejas de diferentes usuarios ... Dónde quedó la objetividad de los foros para defender usuarios .. en lo que cobran por referidos

Hello Dani,

Are you looking for another round of our previous discussions? Okay. I bet someone with your experiences can remember that the amount of submitted complaints can hardly be as important as how many of them proved the casino's wrongdoing.

I believe it makes sense, but it appears you forgot that once more. The "review" also does not refer to the number of complaints but rather to the amount of winnings withheld unfairly. Tiny detail with a big impact on the logic, I guess. Well, no problem. I'll gladly help you anytime you want.

Just a reminder of your situation—the complaint of yours 👈

I empathize with you, but facts should be described as facts.

The reality is that my complaint agrees with most of the other complaints that it is impossible to turn a blind eye to the obvious similarities between all of them, that most are closed because they are in charge of exhausting the players so that they choose to give up and therefore remain unresolved and that other highly reputable sites such as trusploit have already lowered the rating of this casino more than one point in this current period after explaining my situation and that of other players like me... now the reality of the 9 that they have here does not agree much with all of this

La realidad es que mi queja concuerda con la mayoría de las otras quejas que es imposible hacerse de la vista gorda ante la oviedad de las similitud entre todas ellas , que la mayoría se cierran porque se encargan de agotar a los jugadores para que ya opten por rendirse y quedan por eso como no resueltas y que otros sitios de alta reputación como trusploit ya le bajaron más de un punto en este corro lapso la calificación a este casino después de exponerles mi situación y la de otros jugadores como yo .. ahora bien la realidad de el 9 que tienen aquí no concuerda mucho con todo esto

If you can prove any of that with specific details or complaints, we can talk. Your post, however, looks like a generalization to support your opinion. I get it; it is quite common. You're right at this point.

Even though I understand you disagree with how your complaint ended, I would be very hesitant to take the responsibility to talk on behalf of others. Just saying.

I wish we could help you, but we could not. That's, in my opinion, still the case here.

And there is not much point in continuing to debate the issue since the only one here who had the right to reply when they wanted after the case was closed was the casino. I was denied when I wanted to reply immediately, I thought that the users could do it but definitely there is not much objectivity since on the one hand they receive commissions from them and not from the players.. there is a list in which you can clearly see which pages pay for referred people and since one of these is a guru, the mediation loses a lot of its objectivity since there is a profit involved. And whether or not this is the case, the point is that with this a conflict of interests is created in the mediation.. in the end the casino has lowered its credibility if there are more and more complaints and little by little a single common reality will emerge

Y no tiene mucho caso el seguir debatiendo el tema ya que aquí el único que tuvo derecho de réplica cuando el quiso después de cerrado el caso fue el casino a mi se me denegó cuando quise replicar inmediatamente, pensé que los usuarios podíamos hacerlo pero definitivamente no ay demasiada objetividad ya que por una parte se reciben comisiónes de ellos y de los jugadores no.. ay una lista en la que se puede ver claramente a qué páginas pagan por gente referida y al ser gurú una de estas , la mediación pierde bastante su objetividad ya que ay una ganancia de por medio. Y sea o no así el punto es que con eso se crea un conflicto de intereses el la mediación .. al final el casino si a bajado su credibilidad si hay cada vez más quejas y poco a poco emergerá una realidad en común unica

That's always the same; players who disagree have to turn in the affiliated point of view without even knowing how it works. I agree that since you have not made any progress towards objectivity, there is no point in continuing this discussion.

However, I would like to gladly ask you not to push new players with issues into your position. It is not fair to the others. We have the same goal, but discouraging players from cooperating with us by consistently attacking our fairness or safety index, or anything else, will only discourage others from complaining. Please, think about that.

I understand that you disagree that your complaint was closed as unjustified, but please let the others decide for themselves. They know what they want to do.

Stay well, please.

And yes, of course I have all the proof of what I say, it was investigated which pages are the ones that charge for referrals, the banking, the agencies that they use to redirect traffic of questionable reputation were spoken with, all this evidence was sent to the trusploit support and to the guru casino mediator of guru casino, no response was obtained from trusploit if there was one and there was a clear change in the rating so obvious that the casino already removed trusploit from its footer because a 3.4 is no longer as presumable as a 4.2 that it had and it is also good to mention casinoorg that long before starting with my complaint I already warned users that it was a non-recommended casino

Y si claro que tengo todas las pruebas de lo que digo, se investigo que páginas son la que cobran por referidos los banklinst se habló con las agencias que usan para redireccionamiento de tráfico de cuestionable reputacion se le enviaron todas éstas pruebas al soporte de trusploit y al mediador de gurú casino de gurú casino no se obtuvo respuesta alguna de trusploit si la ubo y ubo un claro cambio en la calificación tan obvio que el casino ya quitó de su pie de página a trusploit porque ya no es tan presumible un 3.4 que un 4.2 que tenía y también es bueno mencionar a casinoorg que mucho antes de comenzar con mi queja ya advertía a los usuarios que era un casino no recomendable

And I'm not putting pressure on any of the players. They're complaining. I'm not putting pressure on them. I'm just inviting them not to waste their time and to look for a real and more effective solution to recover their money, because clearly, valuable time is wasted waiting for the casino to deign to answer their complaints... when they could better complain directly to the payment gateways and banks to recover their funds.

Y yo no estoy presionando. A ningún jugador, ellos se están quejando yo no los presione solo les invito a no perder su tiempo y que busquen una solución real y más efectiva para recuperar su dinero porque claramente se pierde momento valioso esperando a que el casino se digne a contestar sus quejas .. cuando pueden mejor quejarse directo con las pasarelas de pago y los bancos para recuperar sus fondos

I was talking about "The reality is that my complaint agrees with most of the other complaints that it is impossible to turn a blind eye to the obvious similarities between all of them, that most are closed because they are in charge of exhausting the players so that they choose to give up and therefore remain unresolved and that other highly reputable sites such as trusploit have already lowered the rating of this casino"

Trustpilot does not review anything, by the way; it is just a collection of unproven user reviews written by users. Quite often they accept review saying that Casino Guru is the worst casino in the world because we do not pay. 🙂 Just saying, because that's another detail missed.

I wasn't talking about your personal research or quests towards affiliates, but about your general assessments of the others' experiences published through the complaints or posts.

Exactly, you push them away. Do I really have to say that this is in complete contradiction of what you just said?

Please think more about the others, that's all.