Velobet Casino - загальне обговорення (Сторінка 16)

Really, this is really having problems with deposits in a casino, having withheld money from your account and having had problems with withdrawals, having opened accounts knowing that you have problems with gambling, without problems with cases of suicide, even having been able to play minors, they really are not casino representatives? And the damage is very serious, it doesn't matter, I think you should have some ethics?

De verdad esto es de verdad tener problemas en depósitos en un casino haberte retenido dinero de tu cuenta y haber tenido problemas en retiradas haberte abierto cuentas sabiendo que tienes problemas con el juego sin problemas con caso de suicidio incluso haber podido jugar menores de verdad no son representantes del casino ?y el daño echo muy grave nada importa creo que algo de ética se debe de tener?

Dear vicente2013,

I told you that the casino would improve its system, and they already did. Your deposit from the 3rd account was refunded to the same wallet as before. If you try to create an account now, the casino will block you.

And the damage caused repeatedly?

And the damages caused until now by negligence with tragic results?

Y el daño causado reiteradamente?

Y los daños y perjuicios ocasionados hasta ahora por negligencia con resultado tragico?

I believe I get what you are trying to say. Yet still, I believe it would make little sense to punish casinos for something that is no longer possible. In order to keep others informed, the Safety Index should be lowered or a warning added to reflect the current circumstances.

Additionally, thanks to your active approach, many players have a fair chance to get familiar with your experiences, and assess potential risks.

For you, Radka will have little meaning, with all due respect, for me it means a lot that in society, whoever has committed a crime pays for the damage caused, especially with a tragic ending, even if measures are taken.

And the truth is that it is difficult for other players to find out when the true situation that has been experienced is not clearly stated here, when the safety index is not modified and, above all, reviews are not published explaining the truth.

Para tí Radka tendrá poco sentido con todo el respeto para mí tiene mucho que en la sociedad quien haya cometido un delito lo pague por el daño causado sobre todo con final tragico aunque se tomen medidas

Y la verdad que los demás jugadores se enteren es difícil cuando no se expone aqui con claridad la verdadera situación que se ha vivido ,cuando no se modifica el índice de seguridad y sobre todo no se me publican reseñas explicando la verdad.

Therefore, for me the case is not closed nor do I agree with how it has been closed. Curiously, no comment is made about this in the resolution, as the main victim is totally against the resolution.

Por lo tanto para mí el caso no está cerrado ni estoy deacuerdo como se ha cerrado curiosamente no se hace ningún comentario sobre esto en la resolución que la principal víctima está totalmente en contra de la resolución.

Actually, I have little to add.

In my opinion, we have explained all we could. We've been very open to you. The casino has changed the system, probably thanks to your persistence. You got the refunds even from the 3rd account.

Thus, from our perspective, the complaint is closed. I'm sorry you disagree; there is no reason to keep the complaint open - its process has reached the final stage.

Moral principles, or other truths, as you prefer to say, are available here on the forum, since this is the place for debates. Anyone is welcome to read your complaint, or your perfectly visible forum posts. Nothing has been hidden.

End from my side, I guess.

I completely agree with your perspective but with all due respect from this moment I will take other routes when everything is completely outlined from start to finish.

I just want to thank you that thanks to you the illegalities of this casino have come to light, the only stain that you have never allowed me to explain is all the illegality that this casino has committed with its clients until now by rejecting my reviews and not modifying the security index. that I neither understand nor will I ever understand, even specialists and professionals in this area who are helping me do not understand.

from now on??????

a casino mystery

For my part, I guess nothing more either.

Totalmente encontrá de tu perspectiva pero con todo el respeto desde este momento tomaré otras vías cuando esté totalmente perfilado todo de principio a fin

Solo agradeceros que gracias a vosotros ha salido a la luz las ilegalidades de este casino la única mancha que no me habéis permitido nunca explicarlo toda la ilegalidad que ha cometido este casino con sus clientes hasta ahora rechazandome las reseñas y no modificando el índice de seguridad cosa que ni entiendo ni entenderé nunca incluso especialistas y profesionales de esto que me están ayudando no entienden

desde ahora ???????

una incognita de casino

por mi lado nada más supongo tampoco.

There is actually something worth mentioning, and it could also have been a part of your dissatisfaction.

Allow me to mention just one thing: posting comments on the forum about anything you believe any casino has done wrong is preferable to doing so specifically for a user review. The "crime" or unfair behavior must be proven in order for the user review to be made public, particularly if there is a complaint attached.

In spite of this, the review needs to include a sufficient quantity of information; otherwise, the community will not really benefit from it.

I checked your reviews, would you say this text is informative?

"I have only had problems with this casino and it ruined my life."

"This casino was about to end my life and almost drove me to suicide, with that, it is all said above, recognizing its mistake and its guilt, refusing to pay for its true consequences safety index 0 casino guru knows perfectly well my experience with velobet.com and It has all the evidence that is why I hope my review is published because it is my real experience, thank you."

Through the explanation provided, we attempted to advise you on how to proceed with the review.

"Hello, thank you for your review. I can see you rated the casino pretty low. Could you please share more details about the issue at the casino so it will be helpful for other players as well?"

I truly don't want to oppose you - if only you tried to submit a decent user review with a true value, preferably from a single account - not more than one. It has a fair chance of being approved then.

Thank you for your time and dedication. You have done a great deal of good through the complaint, and I wish you only the best.

Sorry, but to be honest, publish all the ones that I have been sending that you have rejected and in reviews because you are desperation since you did not accept any of them and I knew that you were not going to accept them and many with information about my problems in the withdrawals. deposits and, above all, responsible gaming, I think there is enough evidence, as you have shown yourselves, that you know it very well and you are perfectly informed, otherwise there is no interest in publishing them where the players should be informed in the reviews.

You know that they have been breaking the law and taking advantage of vulnerable players and the same security index continues and you have been perfectly aware of everything.

Perdona pero para ser honesta ,publica todas las que he estado mandando que habéis rechazado y en reseñas porque estás son la desesperación ya de que no me aceptabais ninguna y sabía que no me las ibais aceptar y muchas con información de mis problemas en la retiradas los depósitos y sobre todo juego responsable creo que pruebas hay suficientes como habéis demostrado vosotros mismos es que lo sabéis desobra y estáis informados perfectamente otra cosa que no interese publicarlas donde deben estar informados los jugadores en las reseñas

sabéis que han estado incumpliendo la ley y aprovechandose de jugadores vulnerables y sigue el mismo índice de seguridad y habéis estado perfectamente al tanto de todo.

Saying anything more would only serve to continue this circle. Everything has been explained to you very openly.

I regret to see that you are unable to move past your own viewpoint.

Thank you for your contribution.

It doesn't forgive, I can't get over it NO, you haven't made me get over my point of view and the one who suffered the situation was me and it was tragic.

but well, my opinion is that you are more on the side of the casino than of the vulnerable players. My case, my experience and my totally personal opinion have led me to my point of view, otherwise this would not have been closed like this, NOTHING AT ALL was openly explained. and for you it is a circle, for me it is a closure of my complaint without answers and without paying for the illegalities committed, because behind this there are many surprising things.

But I repeat, everything is my personal and respectable opinion, both mine and that of others is equally respectable, although mine is not very respected.

I just want to thank you for everything you have researched and for your results obtained even by taking very few measures.

Now I will continue on another path that I hope and I believe that if I have more support to continue fighting for legality even if it doesn't come to anything, who knows, I will try to make sure everything is known, everything.

Thank you.

No perdona no lo puedo superar NO, vosotros no me lo habéis echo superar mi punto de vista y el que ha sufrido la situación he sido yo y trágica.

pero bueno mi opinión es que estáis más de lado de casino que de los jugadores vulnerables mi caso , mi experiencia y mi opinión totalmente personal me ha llevado a mi punto de vista si no esto no se hubiera cerrado así,de explicado abiertamente NADA de NADA y para vosotros es un circulo para mí es un cierre de mi queja sin respuestas y sin pagar las ilegalidades cometidas que detrás de esto hay muchas cosas sorprendentes.

Pero repito todo es mi opinión personal y respetable tanto la mia como la de los demás es igual de respetable aunque la mia no se me respete mucho.

Solo agradeceros todo lo indagado por vosotros y vuestros resultados obtenidos aún tomando medidas muy escasas

Yo ahora seguiré por otro camino q espero y creo q si tengo más apoyo para seguir luchando por la legalidad aunque no llegue a nada ,quien sabe ,lo intentare que se sepa todo, todo.

Gracias.

I'll try to mention aspects the whole team was considering when we were discussing your case, they might be of interest, and I'll leave that to you.

Mainly, we are not lawyers here, we do not represent or substitute laws. I understand you aim for compensation, as you said "the illegalities committed" - this is something we have no authority to get involved in. Yet I understand that, from your perspective, it's something you've attached to achieving. One way or another, I hope you will be satisfied in the end.

The next part is quite complex, but still, understanding the background is important:

Currently, almost all operators operate under a license that defines the rules and scope of self-exclusion. Moreover, virtually all operators offer some sort of self-exclusion to their players, whose scope is highly dependent on regulatory requirements and decisions of individual operators.

There are currently two basic levels of self-exclusion:

Single-operator level: Typically, when self-excluding in an online casino, the self-exclusion does not extend to other operators. This creates a problem: self-excluded players can freely access and play at other casino websites, bringing the overall effectiveness of such self-exclusion schemes into question.

Nationwide/license-wide level: Some countries and online gambling regulators, such as the UK, Sweden, or the Netherlands, operate wider self-exclusion schemes, which require their licensees (operators) to be part of nationwide (license-wide) self-exclusion schemes. These allow players to self-exclude from all casinos licensed in a specific country or by a specific regulator at once, creating a better level of protection.

As of this moment, a player struggling with problem gambling symptoms cannot self-exclude on a global scale. This means that although the player self-excludes on one of the above-mentioned levels, there are still many ways in which players can bypass these self-imposed measures.

It should be noted, in a more thorough version of the previous overview, that every platform, casino operator, and brand has a unique approach to the self exclusion tools. There is not a definitive guide or rule outlining how everyone should go about doing that. As a result, we are unable to establish a baseline by which we could assess the caliber of the options that are provided. While some casinos only keep track of emails as personal information, others offer a "short registration form."

If we had punished this casino for what has been done but is no longer possible, we would also have to start punishing many others, even though we would not have a decent methodology for doing so. I can promise you that you have reopened this conversation, but this is not the direction we are ready to take today.

Now, in order to fill this void, we offer the forum in addition to user reviews or complaints.

I appreciate your well-meaning intentions.

Look Radka, the first self-exclusion due to gambling addiction was with the same operator velobet.com who ignored it and allowed the SAME OPERATOR to continue playing with catastrophic consequences that a judge will have to measure

and the universal rules of a casino are to protect vulnerable players, minors and money laundering, each casino may have its rules but above is the law

you have not punished him because you have not wanted your reasons you will have reopened the case with evidence of its illegality that is why you reopened it and investigated and came to the conclusion that they were guilty

You are doing a disservice to players in general because apart from a low security rate, my experience has shown that there were problems with deposits and withdrawals.

I just want them to pay for their proven illegal acts and help players who don't go through the same thing.

I did explain myself openly

Mira Radka primero la autoexlusion por adicción al juego fue con el mismo operador velobet.com que hizo caso omiso y se permitio MISMO OPERADOR seguir jugando con consecuencias catastroficas que tendrá que medir un juez

y las reglas de un casino universales es proteger a los jugadores vulnerables,menores y blanqueo de dinero cada casino puede tener sus reglas pero por encima está la ley

vosotros no lo habéis castigado porque no habéis querido vuestras razones tendréis reabristeis el caso con pruebas de su ilegalidad por eso lo reabristeis e investigasteis y llegasteis a la conclusión de que eran culpables

flaco favor hacéis a jugadores en general porque aparte de un índice de seguridad bajo Demostrado mi experiencia fueron problemas en depósitos y retiradas

Yo solo quiero que se pague por sus actos ilegales demostrado y ayudar a jugadores que no pasen por lo mismo

yo si me explicado abiertamente

And I reiterate my thanks to casinoguru for demonstrating the illegalities committed by velobet.com, now I neither know nor am interested anymore, if they continue the same I have done everything possible to ensure that this illegality is stopped and all players are informed with all the impediments that I have found mostly review publications because a lot of the damage has already been done and that is done.

Thank you so much.

Y reitero mis gracias a casinoguru por demostrar las ilegalidades que cometían velobet.com ahora ni lo se ni me interesa ya, si siguen igual yo he echo todo lo posible para que se cortará esta ilegalidad y todos los jugadores estuvieran informados con todos los impedimentos que me he encontrado sobre todo publicaciones de reseñas porque el daño y mucho ya está realizado y eso está echo.

Muchas gracias.

Thank you as well; take care, and best wishes on your honorable campaign!

You are welcome to start your own thread here in the forum to keep others updated on your progress. I wanted to let you know in case you were interested in doing so.

Thank you but I think it will not be necessary. I am sure that you will find out about the evolution of the case at the same time as I do.

And it will be up to you to provide information to the player community clearly ?????.

Gracias pero creo que no hará falta estoy seguro que de la evolución del caso os enterareis a la vez q yo

Y de vosotros dependerá dar información a la comunidad de jugadores con claridad ?????.

Well, the "case" has been closed. I can hardly inform others on your behalf. I do not even know what you plan to do next.

I expected nothing less than that you would deny me the reopening, I had already assimilated it.

No esperaba menos que me denegarais la reapertura lo tenía ya asimilado.

Hallo

Velobet is one the best bookie able in many countries. Fast deposits and whidrawals, very professional support able 24h and answering very fast. Many sports able to play, even table tennis. I hardly recommend this bookie and casino. I dont see how can I give my Mark but its max so 10/10 or 5/5 stars