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If you read through this thread, you will find out that there are many times mentioned fake games at this casino, and we even had a warning on our website regarding that.

Now it looks like they have already fixed it and the warning was removed.

Therefore, if you can provide some evidence regarding your accusations, please do so, and I am sure that our team will have a look into that.

On the bottom of every casino review on our site, you have a tab where you can do so:

It said that the issue had been fixed, so I decided to make another payment and test it, but it seems that they just made it impossible for the problematic provider to function, and did not officially reinstall the game.

Some users may have spoken out with evidence of fraud, which may have prompted them to remove the providers they found to be cheating.

修正されたとの記載がありましたので、再度入金をして検証をしてみようと思いましたが、どうやら彼らは問題のあったプロバイダを動かせないようにしただけで、公式にゲームを導入しなおしたわけではないですね。

不正の証拠を一部のユーザーが声を上げたので彼らは不正をしていたとバレたプロバイダを取り下げる行為に及んだのかもしれない。

Romi

It seems like nothing has changed at this casino.

https://f1casino30.club/game/e15556a9-754c-4417-a9af-81ec1ed4c8a6

This URL is called Moon Princess, but it is actually a game called Moon Princess 100.

As I mentioned in my previous post, an unusual change in design has occurred. I confirmed it on 11/29.

There is also one other strange thing.

There are two URLs for them:

https://f1casino30.club/

https://f1casino.club/

When I launch https://f1casino.club/, Moon Princess 100 does not launch.

If you launch it via https://f1casino30.club/, it will be https://f1casino30.club/game/e15556a9-754c-4417-a9af-81ec1ed4c8a6

The game works with this URL. The unusual behavior is still occurring.

It is unclear whether this move is the result of a significantly lower RTP, but this casino site is still continuing its very shady practices.

The reason why I made a deposit this time is because of Romi.

It appears that it has now been fixed and the warning removed.

Because he made such a statement.

I hope Casino Guru will investigate this casino site responsibly.

By actually playing the casino site, I was able to find evidence that it still behaves differently than normal.

Romiさん

このカジノは何も変わってないように思えますが

https://f1casino30.club/game/e15556a9-754c-4417-a9af-81ec1ed4c8a6

このURLはMoon Princessと銘打たれていますが、実際はMoon Princess 100というゲームです。

私が前の記載で述べているように、いまだに通常ではありえない図柄の変化が起こりました。確認したのは11/29です。

また、怪しい点がもう１つあります。

彼らのURLには以下の２つが存在します。

https://f1casino30.club/

https://f1casino.club/

https://f1casino.club/を起動するとMoon Princess 100は起動しません。

https://f1casino30.club/経由で起動するとhttps://f1casino30.club/game/e15556a9-754c-4417-a9af-81ec1ed4c8a6

このURLでゲームが動きます。通常ではありえない挙動は変わらず起きています。

著しく低いRTPの結果としてこの動きが起こるのかは不明ですが、このカジノサイトはいまだに非常に怪しい行為を継続していますよ。

私が今回入金をした理由はRomiさん

あなたが＞今ではすでに修正されており、警告は削除されたようです。

このような発言をしたからです。

カジノグルは責任を持ってこのカジノサイトを調査してほしい。

未だにこのカジノサイトが通常とは異なる挙動をしてる証拠を実際に遊んで押さえました。

F1 Casino is clearly cheating

And the Casino Guru team didn't check them.

It seems to have been fixed now and the warning has been removed.

They make statements like this and act in a way that deceives their customers.

Are you acting with the intention of directing customers to malicious casino sites?

postscript

It seems that you were caught out by a short-term contribution to the discussion.

＞ Radka

The contact information provided

We conducted actual game verification with two different game providers. We have provided screenshots of effects that would not normally occur.

Regarding the presentation, we have seen extremely low payouts and a behavior where the RTP is set to the highest possible level, never exceeding $2,000.

It appears that you are directing users to this malicious site as much as possible until they provide evidence.

F1カジノは明らかに不正行為を働いている

そしてカジノグルのチームはそれらを確認せずに

＞今ではすでに修正されており、警告は削除されたようです

このような発言をし顧客を騙すような対応をしている。

あなたたちは悪質なカジノサイトに顧客を誘導することを目的にして行動しているのですか？

追記

ディスカッションへの短期間の投稿に引っかかったようです。

＞Radka

提示された連絡先情報に

２種類のゲームプロバイダでそれぞれ実際にゲーム検証を行った。通常では起こりえない演出等をスクリーンショットに納めたものを提供している。

演出についてを書かれましたが、RTPは最高設定を示しながら、著しく低い配当や、$2,000を絶対に超えない挙動などが確認している。

どうもあなた達はユーザーが証拠を提供するまでの間、可能な限りこの悪質なサイトへの誘導をしているように見える。

hi there!

I read the whole conversation, and I'd like to make clear that you most likely misunderstood the most important part of this thread. I'd like to help you with that now:

No one, especially not Romi, has encouraged anyone that something has changed and hence that you should deposit in the casinos. Actually, all the time she has been trying polity, explaining you need to present your proofs the other way. And reminded all that the casino provided fake games in the past. This is a forum, though; we do not investigate casinos here; we take care of conversation and player's interests.

I have no reason not to trust your opinion; on the other hand, without reporting your findings properly, complaining here over and over again won't change much.

Thus, gather what you have and send it to data@casino.guru. I'm sorry to see you are unwilling to use the usual method:

I just want you to know that many providers (not casinos), for example, prefer to stream their games from an unofficial source to avoid restricted countries and markets. This is not a fraud against players because it has nothing to do with RTP. Many favorite games are enhanced and altered graphically just to be tailored for certain countries/markets. Usually, players do not understand that and prefer to say these are clear proofs that games are "fake.".

Well, it is not that simple.

Try to calm down. Present your proofs, as we have asked you. Thank you.

"Nobody, especially Romi, is encouraging anyone to say something has changed and that they should deposit money into the casino."

Did you read my first comment in the discussion before making that comment?

I have known for quite some time that this casino site was engaging in fraudulent activities (fake games).

The reason I posted this last week is because Casino Guru's behavior seems suspicious.

You claim to be the leading casino experts, but I see a lot of activity that seems to aid dishonest casino sites.

Romi

"It appears that it has now been fixed and the warning has been removed."

Because of this statement, I made another deposit into this casino site and verified it.

I would like to point out that you are being dishonest by making careless advertisements without verifying anything.

The reason I made the deposit and began verification was based on what Romi said.

「誰も、特にロミは、何かが変わったからカジノに入金すべきだと誰かに勧めたりはしていません。」

私のディスカッションの最初の発言を読んだ上で発言されていますか？

私はこのカジノサイトが不正行為(偽のゲーム)を働いていること自体はかなり前から気付いてました。

先週投稿した理由はカジノグルの動きが怪しいからです。

あなた方はカジノの第一人者と名乗っていますが、私には不誠実なカジノサイトを手助けするような動きが多々見受けられます。

Romi氏が

「今ではすでに修正されており、警告は削除されたようです。」

この発言をしたから、私は再度このカジノサイトに入金をし検証をしました。

あなた達は何も検証せず不用意な宣伝をしたことが不誠実だと指摘したい。

私が入金をして検証に動いた理由はRomi氏の発言が根拠となっています。

Dear user,

Let's keep it calm and decent, please.

We have no proof suggesting this casino is fradulent. During the last few months, we also spotted several improvements, including a new license. Here comes the higher Safety Index from. According to our knowledge, licensed casinos simply can't provide fake games. They would not get licensed if they offered unlicensed games.

Fake game theme is a very sensitive matter - I already explained the most common complications to you.

Thus, if you are convinced this casino offers fake games to players, kindly reach out to GCB - the new casino license to get the matter investigated. We, as mediators, are in no position to investigate a casino's game origins; only the licensing authority can do that.

I would also appreciate it if you could carefully read what I just wrote to you and stop being harrasive towards Casino Guru. Obviuously, your improper tone comes from a lack of knowledge regarding the Casino Guru's range of expertise. Kindly act with respect; otherwise, this conversation will be over very soon.

I won't tolerate any other accusations. I hope that much is clear.

This time I believed what your team member said, enabled the bonus and checked again.

Extremely low actual RTP, falsified highest RTP setting, slot game with unusual behavior in terms of presentation

In a previous independent study, we used a method to increase the payouts on Wazdan's slot games using 1/2 gambling.

Since then, the behavior has not changed at all.

Reduced volatility adjustment function, 1/2 gamble never exceeds $2,000

This casino site offers some pretty impressive bonuses.

The wagering requirements for the bonus are set low.

Although it is normally easy to withdraw money, there are no withdrawal reports at all.

The reason is that the casino site is lying.

And isn't it your community that is participating in such heinous acts?

Any verification done by a user on this casino site requires the withdrawal of any money deposited.

Any reports of damage from users must be reported to the investigation department you designate.

Once users are fooled by the fake behavior, they have already parted with their valuable funds.

Normally, at this point the number of dedicated users who would go as far as to verify the product would decrease.

Even if a report is made during a discussion, the casino's leading authority does not have to lower safety indicators because the report has not been sent to the investigation department.

Did you get the F1casino affiliate link and post it?

Or maybe F1casino is offering some kind of reward for its high safety standards?

If neither of these are true, then you are also victims, but if some of the funds lost by users are indirectly being used to fund the community's operations, then aren't your responses an act of aggression?

今回そちらのチームメンバーの発言を信じ、ボーナスを有効化した上で再度検証しましたが

著しく低い実RTP,偽証された最高設定のRTP,演出面では通常とは挙動が異なるスロットゲーム

過去に独自で検証した際に、Wazdan社のスロットゲーム1/2ギャンブルで配当の底上げをする手法を行いました。

その時から挙動は何一つ変わってない。

ボラティリティを調整する機能の削減、1/2ギャンブルは$2,000を絶対に超えない仕様

このカジノサイトはかなり高いボーナスを配っています。

入金額に対して100~300%です。ボーナスに対しての賭け条件は低く設定されている。

通常ならば出金行為は容易であるにも関わらず、肝心の出金報告は全く見受けられない。

理由はカジノサイトが偽証しているからになりません。

そして、そのような悪質な行為へ加担しているのがあなた方のコミュニティではありませんか？

このカジノサイトでユーザーが検証する行為は入金したお金を捨てる必要がある。

ユーザーからの被害報告については、あなた達が示す調査部門に報告する必要がある。

ユーザーは偽の挙動に騙された時点で、既に貴重な資金を手放すことになっている。

通常ならばその時点で検証までする熱心なユーザーは減ることになります。

ディスカッションで報告をしても、カジノの第一人者は調査部門に報告が行ってないから安全指標を下げないで済む。

あなた方はF1casinoのアフィリエイトリンクを取得して掲載しているのではないのでしょうか？

若しくはF1casinoから高い安全指標に対する見返りがあるのではないのでしょうか？

このどちらも違うというのならあなた達も被害者ですが、間接的にユーザーの負けた資金の一部がコミュニティの運営資金になっているというならば、あなた達の対応は加害行為ではありませんか？

Hey there.

Please do not share the latest updates per "edit post" As far as I can say, most likely, no one else besides me would capture the post changed. 🙏 You are, of course, more than welcome to spread any additional news per fresh post.

Thank you for keeping us updated!

1. As far as we know, licensed casinos cannot offer fake games. If they offered unlicensed games, they would not be licensed.

2.> For example, know that many providers (not casinos) prefer to stream games from unofficial sources to avoid restricted countries and markets. This is not a scam against players as it has nothing to do with RTP. Many popular games have their graphics enhanced and modified to suit specific countries and markets.

3. Contact the new casino licensee, GCB, and ask them to investigate the issue. As an intermediary, we are not in a position to investigate the origins of the casino games. Only the licensing body can do that.

Now, please answer my question.

I have little knowledge of casinos and games, but I believe you are knowledgeable enough about providers and how they work to call yourself an expert.

Wazdan games usually have a feature that allows players to set the volatility in three stages.

Regarding this function, is it possible for the casino site to delete (fix) the function itself at the implementation stage?

Also, in my past testing, I have never been able to exceed $2,000 with a 1/2 gamble. This is an unusual behavior due to the nature of the 1/2 gamble.

Regarding 2., I have already reported the behavior of the game Moon Princess to the team that reports problems or suggests improvements, but I have a question I would like to ask here.

When I checked the developer tools, it showed an RTP of 96% in demo play, but the RTP was hidden in real play.

I have only had experience playing with Play'n Go's extremely low RTP's up to 91% of the time.

Therefore, we cannot say for certain about this, but under the normal presentation rules up to 91%, we have not been able to confirm any rules that would cause high-payout symbols to change to low-payout symbols or disappear.

If the RTP falls below that, will there be any special effects?

Wazdan clearly stated their RTP, so from what I have verified, I believe they are cheating.

As far as I know, Play'n Go is unable to confirm the RTP of F1casino, so I wonder if this is possible if the RTP is significantly lower.

I looked at several sites run by WoT NV, and they all advertised large bonuses, but the wagering requirements for those bonuses were often low and easy to clear.

But how many users are actually able to meet the conditions and withdraw large amounts?

Even to my level of knowledge, the bonuses they are advertising are far too abnormally high.

Although withdrawals are easily attainable, many users are citing issues with the RTP rather than reporting wins.

3. I don't know how to report to the GCB, and I'm not a heavy user. Even if I reported it for fake RTP, I don't think I'd get my money back.

However, I think that those of you who call yourself casino gurus would benefit from keeping the safety index of this casino site high and intact.

I suppose they might say that the information I provided to the investigative department this time is not enough.

I don't want any more users in the community to suffer further damage, so I focused on the fact that CasinoGuru's safety index is unreasonably high. I had some free time today, so I played a little bit and just wanted to report that F1Casino hasn't changed at all since the old days.

I think that if the leading experts in casino gurus would do even a little research, many users would be spared from becoming victims.

I'm sure you also have a desire to increase the safety index.

1.＞私たちの知る限り、ライセンスを受けたカジノは偽のゲームを提供することはできません。ライセンスのないゲームを提供していたら、ライセンスは取得できません。

2.＞たとえば、多くのプロバイダー (カジノではない) は、制限されている国や市場を避けるために、非公式のソースからゲームをストリーミングすることを好んでいることを知っておいてください。これは、RTP とはまったく関係がないため、プレーヤーに対する詐欺ではありません。多くの人気ゲームは、特定の国や市場に合わせてグラフィックが強化および変更されています。

3,＞新しいカジノライセンスである GCB に連絡して、問題の調査を依頼してください。仲介者である私たちは、カジノのゲームの起源を調査する立場にはありません。それを行えるのはライセンス機関だけです。

では、私の質問にも答えていただきたい。

私はカジノやゲームの知識には乏しく、あなた方は第一人者を名乗るくらいにはプロバイダや挙動にも詳しいと思います。

Wazdan社のゲームには通常、プレイヤーがボラティリティを３段階で設定可能な機能が存在すると思います。

この機能についてはカジノサイト側が導入の段階で機能自体を削除(固定)することが可能なのでしょうか？

また、私が過去に検証した際に1/2ギャンブルでは$2,000を超えることは絶対にありませんでした。これは1/2の特性上通常では考えられない挙動でした。

2.について既にMoon Princessというゲームでの挙動を問題を報告する、または改善を提案するチームに報告していますが、こちらで聞きたいことがあります。

開発者ツールで確認したところデモプレイでは96%のRTP表示を示していますが、リアルプレイではRTPが隠されています。

私はPlay'n Go社の著しく低いRTPで遊んだ経験が91%までしかありません。

ですのでこれについては断言できかねますが、91%までの通常の演出法則では高配当図柄が低配当への変化や消滅するという法則は確認できません。

RTPがそれよりも下回った場合には、そういった演出が備わっているのでしょうか？

wazdan社はRTPが明記されていたので、私の検証した限りでは不正行為を働いているという認識ですが

Play'n Go社はF1casinoのRTPが私の知識では確認が取れないので、著しくRTPが低ければそれも可能なのかと疑問に思っています。

WoT N.V.が経営しているいくつかのサイトを覗きましたが、どこも高額のボーナスを掲げて、それに対しての賭け条件は低く容易にクリア可能なものが多いです。

ですが、実際には条件達成をし高額な出金にたどり着けているユーザーはどの程度いるのでしょうか？

私程度の認識でも彼らが掲げているボーナスは余りにも異常な高い数値を掲げています。

出金までには容易に到達出来るであろうにもかかわらず、多くのユーザーは勝ち報告ではなく、RTPの問題に言及しています。

3.私はGCBへの報告の仕方がわかりませんし、それほどのヘビーユーザでもありません。実際に偽のRTPなどで訴えたところで、既に溶かした資金が返ってくるわけでもないでしょう？

ただ、カジノの第一人者と名乗っている皆さんは、このカジノサイトの安全指数を高めて留めておくことには意味があるのではないかと思っています。

私が今回調査部門に提供した情報程度では足りないと言われればそれまででしょう。

私はコミュニティ内のユーザーにはこれ以上の被害にあってほしくなく、カジノグルの安全指数が不当に高いこと点に着目しました。今日は暇だったので少しだけ実際に遊んでみて、F1casinoは昔から何も変わってないという報告をしたいだけです。

カジノグルの第一人者達が少しでも調査すれば多くのユーザーが被害にあわないで済むと思いますが

安全指数を高めておきたい意向があなた達にもあるのでしょう。

We also checked the Marvel Casino discussion

From the latest posting, it seems that Marvel Casino has game providers that are not available from certain countries?

Radka himself seems to have answered that there is no ability to validate slots.

I see... I think that's a pretty convenient system for you guys.

While a little knowledge and a willingness to actually play the game can solve this problem, it is community policy not to respond to fake game reports.

So I'm wondering which way your safety index is headed. WoT NV can thank the casino gurus for their code of conduct.

Unfortunate users are getting "casino access" through this site.

I am one of them, and I have decided to donate valuable funds to WoT NV.

Marvel Casinoのディスカッションも確認をしました

直近の掲載内容では、特定国からはプレイできないゲームプロバイダがMarvel Casinoでは遊ぶことができるようですね？

Radka氏自身が答えているようですがスロットを検証する能力がないと。

なるほど・・・あなた達にとっては中々都合のいい仕組みだと思います。

ほんの少しの知識と、ゲームを実際にプレイするという気概があればこの問題は解決することになるが、コミュニティの方針として偽のゲーム報告には動かない方がいいと。

それではあなた方が掲げる安全指数というのはどちらに対して向いているのか怪しいものだと思います。WoT N.V.社はカジノの第一人者の行動規範に感謝の念を示しているでしょう。

不幸なユーザーがこのサイトを通して「カジノにアクセス」してくれています。

私もその一人で、貴重な資金をWoT N.V.に寄付することになりました。

I am unable to respond to your specific inquiries; I am only able to make assumptions, which I would rather not do.

Inform the licensing authority of what you have discovered. In contrast to Casino Guru, the authority can ask for the game's source codes and look into its legitimacy. This is the crutial point, because we can't do that.

Like players, we rely on licensing authority investigations to determine the legitimacy of games.

Therefore, the warning is added and the Safety Index is appropriately discussed and modified based on the circumstances only if the authorities confirm that the games are in fact fake in some way. Yet first someone must prove what you are suggesting. There is never a change in this principle.

For instance, if you suspect fraud, you call the police, and they look into it to see how serious the crime is. All parties involved do not attend the trial until the evidence has been collected and verified.

The jury decides the punishment for each of the parties involved. Punishments are never the first step, are they?

As with any other similar site, we review only matters within our expertise. What we are discussing is more of a domain of game providers. Not ours.

However, everything stays visible here on the forum, where such information belongs, to assist other participants in forming their opinions from your point of view.

Therefore, if players would rather think the games are phony, they are free to avoid playing at this casino. No problem with that.

At the bottom of every casino review on our site you will find tabs where you can:

I have already reported this here, but you are not planning to act on the basis of my report, are you?

To what extent will reporting to licensing authorities be done on behalf of players?

I have already put a lot of money into this casino site multiple times, playing fake games without realizing it, and after I became suspicious, I lost it again while trying to verify it myself.

And Romi said, "It appears to have been fixed now and the warning has been removed."

I trusted this and made a deposit, but was deceived again.

I have already been deceived twice by this casino site and your comments and suffered the consequences.

I have done everything I can here to lower the safety index, but I don't have the energy to even contact the licensee.

Because what I've lost is irretrievable and there's not much benefit to me in reporting the license.

However, I have sent the results of my testing to the Casino Guru research department listed by Romi and Radka .

Testing how this casino works will only take you 30 minutes, although you will lose some money.

Try out some Bonus Buys on a few games for minimal amounts of money and you'll instantly understand how they compare to trustworthy casino sites.

On top of that, I would like you to ask the licensee to investigate whether the game is fake.

Well, I think it's better to have a higher safety index, so I don't think there's much point in saying anything more.

＞当サイトのすべてのカジノレビューの下部に、次の操作を行うことができるタブがあります。

私は既にここに報告もしていますが、その上で私の報告をもとにあなた達は動くつもりはないのですね。

ライセンス機関への報告がどの程度、プレイヤーのために活動されるのでしょうか？

既に私はこのカジノサイトに複数回にわたり多くのお金を入れて、偽のゲームに気づかず遊び、疑いを持ってからは独自の検証もかねてまた失いました。

そして、Romi氏の発言「今ではすでに修正されており、警告は削除されたようです。」

これに信頼を置き、今回入金をしてまた騙されました。

私は既にこのカジノサイトとあなた達の発言に騙されて2度に渡り痛い目にあっています。

安全指数を下げるためにもここへは私にできる限りのことは行いましたが、ライセンス元への問い合わせまでする気力はありません。

何故ならば、失ったものは戻ってこなく、ライセンスの報告へする私のメリットはあまりないからです。

ですが、私はRomi氏やRadka氏が掲げたカジノグルの調査部門？に私が検証した内容を送っています。

このカジノの挙動を確認するのはお金は失いますが30分もあれば終わります。

いくつかのゲームでBonus Buyを最低限のお金でやったりすれば、信頼のおけるカジノサイトと比較して一瞬で理解できるでしょう。

その上で、あなた方がライセンス元へ偽のゲームではないかと依頼をしてほしいですね。

まぁ、安全指数が高い方が都合がいいと思いますので、これ以上発言をしてもあまり意味がないと思いますが。

Well, I understand your approach, and I'm not saying the methodology is perfect, but it is certainly not the worst.

Faked or altered games are not part of the Safety Index, because we can't investigate them. We have an external team of testers; those people test casinos investing our money, but it is not enough to recognize what is normally called "fake games."

The Safety Index on the other hand, consists of other measureable features and expresses the likelihood that the win will be paid to palyer. That's the score for.

In the past, we believed this casino had a set of faked games, but as long as we can't officially confirm that, the warning is not present anymore. Meanwhile, the casino has become licensed, which at 99% excludes using "faked" games.

I'm sorry to say it, but I agree—not much to add to these points. Unless you accept, we are not capable of confirming games origins. We are not game providers.

So the games have a lot of bonus features thrown out plus they don't have rng how do you know!? Very simply, enter any normal casino for a game from apathetic and you will see the random numbers up in the corner, in this casino they do not exist. I have been playing online casino for many years and I can tell what is a fake game. Plus they give you extremely high bonuses daily with a very low wager and what do you think you can never unlock it

Deci jocurile au multe funcții bonus scoase afara plus ca nu au rng cum afli!? Foarte simplu întrați I orice cazino normal la un joc de la apatic și o sa vedeți sus în colt numerele aleatorii, în acest cazino acestea nu exista . Joc de multi ani în cazinoul online și pot să-mi dau seama care este un joc fals. Plus ca îți dau zilnic bonusuri exagerat de mari cu wager foarte mic și ce crezi niciodată nu poți sa îl deblochezi

I believe that it would be really helpful if you could find the difference between a fake and a real game.

You should always contact the licensing authority whenever you spot something like this. It is they who control these kinds of things at online casinos, you know. But if a casino operates without a license, it is really difficult to deal with it. Sometimes it is good to let the game provider know as well.

Unfortunately, we can't do much ourselves; it is out of our hands.